tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post2099586095830783352..comments2023-10-24T16:16:29.095+01:00Comments on Club 166: Obamacare and DisabilityClub 166http://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-60403461493533210772009-07-23T23:04:44.793+01:002009-07-23T23:04:44.793+01:00@ Kathleen,
Eugenics, indeed. I did a paper rece...@ Kathleen,<br /><br />Eugenics, indeed. I did a paper recently for one of my ethics classes on how eugenics never really died out, but has just morphed into a much more high tech form thru the use of genetic screening.<br /><br />JoeClub 166https://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-62142967856116738282009-07-23T23:03:10.548+01:002009-07-23T23:03:10.548+01:00Of course, private insurance isn't off the hoo...<i>Of course, private insurance isn't off the hook either. ...</i><br /><br />No, private insurance shouldn't be able to "cherry pick" only the healthiest individuals.<br /><br />But the insurance companies DO need to be protected against those who know they have a chronic condition, and would just wait until they knew they would soon start needing care before signing up.<br /><br />So IF there is universal coverage, then there should be no waiting periods, and no coverage exclusions.<br /><br />But if you DON'T have to sign up for insurance, then there should still be no coverage exclusions, but a reasonable waiting period for chronic conditions (perhaps six months to a year) would be a reasonable protection to both parties.<br /><br />JoeClub 166https://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-16065503132253098942009-07-23T17:11:01.364+01:002009-07-23T17:11:01.364+01:00Of course, private insurance isn't off the hoo...Of course, private insurance isn't off the hook either. I know that at least at some insurance companies, autism spectrum disorders are considered pre-existing conditions that prevent someone from getting an individual insurance plan. And given the employment difficulties that some autistics have, getting a group plan isn't necessarily an easy task either...codeman38https://www.blogger.com/profile/09005307767833296869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-12338798631924862602009-07-23T15:45:06.924+01:002009-07-23T15:45:06.924+01:00Hi Joe, once again-a thought provoking piece. I ha...Hi Joe, once again-a thought provoking piece. I had the same thoughts crossing my mind...just who is this committee and what is their agenda? Obviously I worry about disability-and how it will be viewed..I worry about possible mandatory genetic testing in the future-and the ramifications of that.Thinly veiled eugenics? I don't know. I find it extremely worrisome.kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07648854807234137885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-69563332047335569032009-07-23T14:01:01.681+01:002009-07-23T14:01:01.681+01:00I didn't intend to make this about comparing C...I didn't intend to make this about comparing Canada's system to the US. But one interesting fact is that if you have <a href="http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596" rel="nofollow">cancer</a>, the US is the place you want to be. That's compared to all of Europe, or Canada.<br /><br />JoeClub 166https://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-60344922018674701812009-07-23T13:55:33.370+01:002009-07-23T13:55:33.370+01:00Given that BO's science czar is an eugenicist,...Given that BO's science czar is an eugenicist, I have no faith in this proposal. "Bipartisan"? What does that mean? Agreement btwn Dems and Reps on the expert panel? Both can be equally swayed and bought off under this bully administration. God help us all.Mekeinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-40181760878955787012009-07-23T13:21:34.939+01:002009-07-23T13:21:34.939+01:00Oh, and just and FYI... they don't leave peopl...Oh, and just and FYI... they don't leave people to die in their beds here without treatment.<br /><br />My Oma had her knees replaced even though she had severe arthritis and except for pain relief she was still mostly housebound... a neighbor's Father (severe dementia) had his leg taken off with an epidural (going under would have killed him). He had gangrene... he had no idea of what was going on around him... but the surgeon refused to let him die from gangrene poisoning. He lived a couple of more years. My FIL and Opa had their cataracts fixed.<br /><br />We don't cut people off here, or refuse them services. Actually in Ontario they are trying to shorten wait times on those "quality of life" services. <br /><br />I think your system abandon's them quicker. No insurance... no service.<br /><br />"But this is what happens in other countries"... Yes, but IMO those in the USA truly have no idea what happens in other countries and use the threat of "other countries" a little to quickly to prove what they are doing is correct.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-66921339172125075122009-07-23T13:15:25.398+01:002009-07-23T13:15:25.398+01:00Actually, I read your post expecting a slap at &qu...Actually, I read your post expecting a slap at "Canadian Style Health Care" which IMO American's think they know all about but have no idea. Not saying it's perfect... but your current system I would NEVER, EVER want. But this description is nothing like ours.<br /><br />When Maddy writes of the HUGE cost to send her children for an hour to the Child Psych and my son is going for 2hrs on Tues, and it's cost to me is to hand him my son's Health Card.... who got the better service and I only waited 2 weeks (I had to postpone it) to get the appt.<br /><br />Obama's system seems strange to me. Yes, OHIP and the other Provinces decide what treatments to provide, yes, sometimes we send people to the USA for treatment. We also don't have a large population base to justify some treatments so, in the end it cheaper to use your infrastructure.<br /><br />Usually they say "yes" and send people. If the Dr's here think it will help. If they don't they recommend that the patient won't survive the system won't pay for it. Some then pay to go on their own, some win, some don't. <br /><br />I like to think they try very hard here to help everyone.<br /><br />I don't think any health care system is perfect.... some would claim my ultrasound in a few hours is "unnecessary" b/c I haven't had problems (gallbladder).... but something was seen a month ago when I had problems (kidney stone) and my Dr is checking, just incase... cost... my Health Card.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.com