tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post268192724111764747..comments2023-10-24T16:16:29.095+01:00Comments on Club 166: Under PressureClub 166http://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-46638403196770166012007-04-22T17:12:00.000+01:002007-04-22T17:12:00.000+01:00I think I would use the word horrific. The risk o...I think I would use the word horrific. <BR/><BR/>The risk of death from fire in hyperbaric chambers designed for oxygen and operated by trained operators is well known(<A HREF="http://www.uhms.org/Safety/UHMS%20mishap%20data%20report%20(Desautels).pdf" REL="nofollow">hyperbaric chamber injuries 1923 - 1998</A>). In pure oxygen, everything organic will burn. The only cloth that won't burn is fiberglass. Asbestos would work too, but that has been banned. Most metals will burn too, aluminum, iron, steel, even stainless steel can burn in pure oxygen. That is the technique that is used for cutting steel, heat it enough to get it to start burning, then a stream of pure O2 will keep it burning.daedalus2uhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10416564922288784455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-63939774407498944352007-04-21T04:16:00.000+01:002007-04-21T04:16:00.000+01:00Gnarly???I guess we just grew up in different 'hoo...<I>Gnarly???</I><BR/><BR/>I guess we just grew up in different 'hoods. <BR/><BR/>Gnarly would be something we'd use to describe something like a steep tricky descent on a mountain bike trail. My buddy Doug in LA would sometimes use it in a similar reference to difficult (yet satisfying) waves when surfing (the ocean, not the web :) ).<BR/><BR/>I think the word I'd use to describe being cooked alive would be gruesome.Club 166https://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-50974447618681615042007-04-21T03:58:00.000+01:002007-04-21T03:58:00.000+01:00There is nothing inherently bad about making money...<I>There is nothing inherently bad about making money practicing medicine. It sounds bad to say something is profitable, but unless doing something pays the bills, you can't afford to keep the doors open and provide anyone any kind of service.</I><BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree more.<BR/><BR/><I>It's when profit becomes the prime motivator that problems creep in. And that is what I see with quack docs.</I><BR/><BR/>Yep. To look at some of the parent forums out there (and going rates), and compare discussion to the linked ROI page, it becomes clear pretty quickly that profit appears to be a prime motivator with the gammow bag setups.<BR/><BR/>I went back and read the wiki article about the Apollo 1 fire you linked. It's been years since I read about that, and one word comes to mind - Gnarly!Do'Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217547072666798606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-32303555029159576782007-04-21T00:32:00.000+01:002007-04-21T00:32:00.000+01:00...We came to the point where we avoid so-called '...<I>...We came to the point where we avoid so-called 'experts' as the plague!</I><BR/><BR/>That is so sad.<BR/><BR/>None of us can be experts in everything. And one always needs to evaluate the advice anyone gives (even "experts") in the context of your/your child's individual situation. But when the quacks and huxters of the world spew falsehoods to the extent that people stop paying attention to the real experts, that hurts us all.Club 166https://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-57207458666056708692007-04-20T21:59:00.000+01:002007-04-20T21:59:00.000+01:00I had never heard of that stuff.We came to the poi...I had never heard of that stuff.<BR/>We came to the point where we avoid so-called 'experts' as the plague!Paulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15530357370619980799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-41547305881198665352007-04-20T12:03:00.000+01:002007-04-20T12:03:00.000+01:00Do'C,Thanks for those links. I had read your post...Do'C,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for those links. I had read your posting before, but didn't remember who had done it. That was a very nice treatment on the subject.<BR/><BR/>There is nothing inherently bad about making money practicing medicine. It sounds bad to say something is profitable, but unless doing something pays the bills, you can't afford to keep the doors open and provide anyone any kind of service. It's when profit becomes the prime motivator that problems creep in. And that is what I see with quack docs.<BR/><BR/>Steve,<BR/><BR/>As I said, <I>properly</I> performed, HBO in a regulated chamber or using the Gamow bags (Mild Hyperbaric Chambers) are both fairly safe (no treatment is 100% safe), though not proved effective. But anyone that adds oxygen to those Vitaeris bags is creating a disaster waiting to happen.<BR/><BR/>What worries me most is a trend towards junk research. I think that many people are starting to turn out junk studies (few patients, poor or no controls, short duration), and then use those studies to "prove" that various treatments are valid.Club 166https://www.blogger.com/profile/01816977079856902634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-13794187509824011832007-04-20T06:57:00.000+01:002007-04-20T06:57:00.000+01:00Thanks so much for posting about this---your criti...Thanks so much for posting about this---your critique is much needed. There is actually a place (as I'll refer to it) that does HBO in the town where we live---I drive by it everyday (and say to myself, no thank you).kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01104388229716638534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-8775185653949353112007-04-20T05:53:00.000+01:002007-04-20T05:53:00.000+01:00There may be a good reason the gammow bags (like t...There may be a good reason the gammow bags (like the vitaeris 320) are apparently gaining popularity as an offering among DAN! 'docs' (and beauty/health spas).<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.genoxinc.com/hyperbaricroi.htm" REL="nofollow">Link</A><BR/><BR/>More about HBOT for autism with the vitaeris:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=60" REL="nofollow">Link </A>Do'Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217547072666798606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821799658844915805.post-52863414733429812082007-04-20T05:38:00.000+01:002007-04-20T05:38:00.000+01:00I have often wondered whether any risk factors wer...I have often wondered whether any risk factors were associated with HBOT. A cursory search of PubMed did not reveal anything, which led me to believe safety was not an issue. This, of course, did not make me want to subject my son to it, but at least I felt it could be stricken from the list of dangerous treatments.<BR/>Thanks for covering this issue.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10831843534657098189noreply@blogger.com